"When you say things like 'I'm a proud Scot', you've really got to think 'what is it I am proud of?'. Are you proud of Scotland as a nation, as a country, as everyone else understands understands a country to be in the whole world? Or are you proud of it as a sort of junior region of the UK?"

For the 78th episode of The Scottish Independence Podcast I spoke with Karen Campbell.

Karen has written five novels: The Twilight Time, After the Fire, Shadowplay and Proof of Life and she has also recently become an active speaker on the Yes circuit, to much acclaim.

This is an episode you don't want to miss.

We talked about lots of things and I didn't miss the opportunity to ask an ex-policeman about the current policing situation in Scotland either.

I'm not going to do any more spoilers other than the above.

Hope you enjoy…

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