On episode 23 of the Chicago Psychology Podcast, Scott talks with Alex Pattakos, Ph.D. Alex is a founder the Global Meaning Institute, a think tank with bases in Canada, Greece, and the USA.

Scott and Alex discuss his career trajectory, starting in medicine and mental health in US Army and Chicago, his meeting with Viktor Frankl, and how this changed the course of his work from smaller systems change and innovation, to a grander scope of working systemically to spark meaning in the world.