With tightening immigration rules leading to ever more catastrophes, political rhetoric hardening, and more and more of the world being made uninhabitable, Sarah Glynn talks politics with two researchers who've written critically about migration control, Manja Petrovska and Nidžara Ahmetašević. Manja is a researcher at the University of Amsterdam, and Eur Asian Border Lab, where she focuses on how the European Union has outsourced its border controls. Nidžara is a journalist from Sarajevo, who writes about human rights, migration, war crimes and the role of the media.