Paul Butler, a law professor at Georgetown University and author of the book "Chokehold: Policing Black Men," is all about tearing the criminal justice system down. After all, it isn't really about justice. In this interview, Yves talks to him about his time as a prosecutor, mass incarceration, and prison abolition.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.