A woman, reverend, Ufoologist, and conference organizer go into a bar. How many drinks do they order? In this case, one. It's the same person. At a young age, Alyson Dunlap Shanes, had paranormal encounters. The first was with an incubus. This event was later corroborated by a different person, from an entirely different vantage. This started her journey into studying religions, paganism and ultimately becoming Reverend Shanes of the Old Catholic Church. She has encountered angels and demons and perhaps extraterrestrials. She performed an exorcism on her own residence. before offering this service to others. She's an author, podcaster, and conference speaker and organizer. This is her story and our conversation.