What’s up everyone! Today I’m joined by Chet Corcos, programmer, product designer, and engineer at Notion. His notable career includes working at Affirm and SpaceX. In the long run, how you build something has a more substantial impact than what you built Notion is an all-in-one workspace that blends everyday work apps like databases, kanban boards, notes, calendars for you and your team. In this episode, Chet shares about his startup journey, product building principles at Notion, approach to building things “with good design”, startup growth strategies, and thoughts on tool making and privacy. Episode Quotes "A good designer fights habituation." - Tony Fadell "You learn so much by building." "Build something you want and you love... and pray that people follow it." "First we shape our tools and then our tools shape us." - Marshall McLuhan "How you build something has a more substantial impact than what you built." Listen to Learn 01:31 - How Chet got into the world of startups 11:58 - Chet's journey at Notion 17:16 - Building things "with good design" 27:41 - How Notion reached a million users 39:55 - Tactics to maintain growth and get people creative 48:00 - Product building principles for other problems 54:23 - Thoughts on ethics on tool making and privacy 59:27 - What is the future of business software? 01:03:09 - Parting thoughts